Chris Deaver, author and co-founder of BraveCore, recalls stalking Stephen Covey in his own house, and talks about the key lesson he learned from being in meetings with Steve Jobs, bucking the "expert model", writing a letter to Roy Disney then turning down the reply, the simplicity and power of co-creation, turning Dell around, making others the mission, and working next to a secret lab.

Hear Chris' full interview in Episode 448 of The Action Catalyst.