Check out this full chat with Al Brown.  He is a world renowned chef and has iconic eateries such as 'Best Ugly Bagels', 'Depot', 'Federal Delicatessen' & he is an all round GC.

Here he talks about his role as one of the judges in the upcoming Bakels Supreme Pie Awards and gives a bit of insight as to why us Kiwis bloody love a good pie.

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