const podcast = {   episode: 238,  title: 'Rise and Fall of JavaScript Libraries',  topics: [     'JavaScript', 'frameworks', 'accessibility'  ],  guest: 'Chris Ferdinandi'  hosts: [    'Craign Shoemaker', 'Ward Bell'  ]};

Recording date: 6/1/2023

John Papa @John_Papa

Ward Bell @WardBell

Dan Wahlin @DanWahlin

Craig Shoemaker @craigshoemaker

Chris Ferdinandi @ChrisFerdinandi

Brought to you by

• AG Grid
• IdeaBlade

Resources:

• Go Make Things Newsletter & More
• zachleat.com
• React
• Preact
• What Is Server-side Rendering And How Does It Improve Site Speed?
• What is “Vanilla JavaScript”?

Timejumps

• 00:29 Welcome
• 00:47 Introducing Chris Ferdinandi
• 03:30 Why are JavaScript frameworks bad for developers?
• 07:04 Sponsor: Ag Grid
• 08:12 If you take JavaScript out, aren't you limiting apps?
• 22:01 Sponsor: IdeaBlade
• 23:01 How do you minimize your use of JavaScript?
• 28:38 Accessibility and frameworks
• 44:18 Final thoughts

Podcast editing on this episode done by Chris Enns of Lemon Productions.