Madonna is an icon, a hitmaker, and a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer. But despite her incredible achievements, she’s never been cozy with feminism. This week, we chat with author and podcast host Roxane Gay about Madonna’s legacy, and how feminism can fail women who dare to be trailblazers.

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