In this episode, I’m joined by Grant Cardone to break down one of the most important investing conversations happening right now: bitcoin and real estate. We start with what’s happening on the ground. Grant’s Malibu home was damaged in the Palisades fire, and more than a year later, California still won’t allow basic repairs. From there, we unpack how regulation, taxation, and political incentives are reshaping where capital flows. Then we get into the core framework Grant uses today: • Why real estate works for cash flow, but struggles as a long-term growth asset • Why bitcoin has emerged as a superior growth and opportunity-cost hedge • How Cardone Capital is combining real estate income with bitcoin on the balance sheet • Why Grant believes the REIT industry is overdue for disruption • What wealth building actually looks like in a system that keeps changing the rules We also close on mindset. Why resentment toward money repels it, why respect for capital matters, and how long-term wealth is built across cycles. This is a deep, honest conversation about capital, incentives, and positioning yourself for what comes next. Stack Bitcoin using your home equity → https://joinhorizon.com See your home's Bitcoin potential → https://joinhorizon.com/calculator Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation Follow Grant on X → https://x.com/GrantCardone Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti Disclaimer: Horizon is a technology company that helps users buy and custody their Bitcoin and does not directly provide financial or investment services. Horizon connects homeowners with licensed home equity investment providers but does not act as an agent or broker for the homeowner or any third party. Homeowners should consult their financial, tax, or legal advisor before making any investment decision. For additional information, please refer to our FAQ, terms and conditions, and our preferred providers' websites. Subscribe to Over The Horizon: A Bitcoin Podcast on Soundwise