New research shows our distant ancestors enjoyed a far more complex – and creative – existence than we had ever imagined. If humans have always experimented with ways of being, why are we told all the problems of our world are the result of inevitable progress?

David Wengrow is an archaeologist and the co-author, with the late David Graeber, of Dawn of Everything. In his third appearance on Novara Media, he tells Aaron Bastani about deep time, the irrepressible role of creativity in politics, and the newfound popularity of 'pseudoarcheology' like Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse Netflix series.