Is football the place for political struggle? Is there a limit to the success of fan-owned clubs? How disappointed should we be when pundits and players turn out not to be comrades?

Cultural critic Juliet Jacques and Pro Revolution Soccer host Tom Williams unite for a conversation inspired by Mickaël Correia's book The People's History of Football. They talk about the commodification of football, how a politics of resistance has inspired teams from Moscow to Cairo to Clapton, and why a supporter-owned club would want to sell up to Disney.

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