Retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling joins Chris and Amy to discuss his article for The Bulwark on the importance of core military values like loyalty, duty, and integrity in strengthening organizational culture. Reflecting on his efforts to reinstate these values in the U.S. Army after a decade of war, Hertling emphasizes the broader need for values-driven leadership in government and civilian institutions. The conversation also covers potential Defense Secretary nominees and the critical importance of experience and credentials for the role.