Join us for an imaginative exploration of the future of humanity in an AI-dominated world. Our hosts delve into potential societal and genetic shifts, discussing the future of human relationships and the role of AI companions and virtual reality environments. As AI systems advance, they predict a rise and eventual decline in "robosexuality," with more people choosing to live in virtual pods or digitize their consciousness. They also ponder potential changes in human reproduction and the increasing possibility of human speciation due to environmental pressures, isolation on different planets, and the role of gene selection and editing.

Throughout the video, they express how this dramatic evolution might make current societal issues like racism seem outdated due to the high genetic diversity we might see in the future. They also speculate on the possible socio-economic outcomes for those resistant to this technophilic lifestyle. Their conversation concludes with a personal note on their shared enthusiasm for these thought-provoking discussions. Witness this deep dive into the anticipated, rapid evolution of our species and understand how our present might shape the future.An AI generated transcript of the episode that is not great but something:

comments what other sorts of like pre-programmed genetic proclivities do you think are going to be able to resist AI girlfriends and perfect VR environments?

And keep in mind people will say you could have general utilitarians, right? That wanna make life better for everyone. But um, you know, you have one general utilitarian. Who's open to living this lifestyle themselves? One. Jeff Bezos. One I don't think Elon Musk is a general utilitarian. I think he's much more aligned with us than other people.

But I think uh, if you take a Jeff Bezos or a Bill Gates who seem to be pretty, generally utilitarians, like especially a Bill Gates, right? He can put himself in a pod, live the perfect life, that pod is going to have fixed maintenance costs. When you divide his money across the rest of the population, especially a falling population in terms of human numbers, he can put millions of people in pods.

I don't think that financial concerns will be an issue as to whether or not you choose the POD option. Yeah, no, I think it'll be available to people. You're also, then again, I like my point. I just don't think that. Ai, we'll say Agi, that wears humans as a suit would have a reason to make more humans like that unless they felt that their objective function revolved around printing more of them.

But I think it would maybe just more extend their lives or digitize them. So I really think that it's more likely that our AI future will basically see a blossoming of robo sexuality and then, An absence of it, and then, oh, no I agree with that as well. You'll see the blossoming of robo sexuality and then a juice will completely die out.

Because either of these people will have digitized themselves or put themselves in pods or gone extinct because they were dating AI girlfriends. And so the portion of humanity that survives in this sort of aligned world. We'll be highly genetically resistant. Yeah. I say genetically, portions of our sociological profiles have a genetic component.

And so the humans that were the most extreme in that component will eventually be the only ones that survive. When we're talking 10, a hundred generations, that's gonna be a very different type of human than the human we have today. Yeah. I think so. And I think. We're downplaying just how different humans are gonna be.

I think we're going to see full out speciation that is accelerated very quickly due to agi, and I don't think it's just gonna be the technophilic humans and the Luddite humans. I think it's going to be, The Luddite humans, and then five different flavors of technophilic humans that are I agree, but I think that technophilic humans will make up the minority of humans today.

I think the humans that sort themselves into this technophilic branch will be two to 3% of the world's population today, maybe. Yeah, I, yeah it's hard to say. It's easy to imagine a world in which. Meat puppet sex, for example, disappears and people primarily reproduce using IVF and artificial wounds both to optimizing it and because once.

Once there is a perfection of virtual sex, it's gonna be so disgusting and weird to do meat puppet sex that people won't want to do it. But then I could also very easily see a world in which humans get really hipster and snobby about meat puppet sex. Like in the matrix where they're like, I was made naturally.

You know what I mean? Oh, no, I don't think so because y those people would never have high amounts of economic success and therefore not success. Yeah. So if you don't have economic success, then you just, your idea isn't gonna become aspirational. Yeah. You could say that they've hampered themselves.

So you could have a few like old hat, bird, like rich families that are all done through like meat sex, but I don't think it would be the majority of. Of the economic system would be controlled by individuals like that. Yeah. And when you talk about speciation, I think a lot of people can hear this and they're like, what a horrible thing to say about our species.

But if we ever become an interplanetary species and we, it turns out that faster than like travel isn't possible, which I think probably it isn't. Without time travel also being possible to some extent. So if faster than light travel isn't possible, you will definitely have speciation in human's Future.

Because you are going to have local breeding populations on the different planets. Oh, there will have different environmental pressures and it's not intermixing because you need faster than live travel. That'll lead to very quick speciation. If you look at how quickly the human genome can change, like I was just talking about, like how quickly IQ can change humans within just 500 to a thousand years on different planets.

Will look very different from each other. And this is why I think that concepts today, like racism are going to look so silly. When you look at how similar I am from the most genetically distant human to us today, when we think about where humanity's going to be in just 5,000, 10,000 years the diversity of humans is going to be so great.

That the sort of all. 1.0 humans are just gonna be basically the same thing to everyone. And I think that this is one of those things where it's really interesting when people, because we talk about what humans have herital or we talk about gene selection or gene editing.

They're like, oh, you must be racist. And I'm like, oh my God. Our views are offensive, but not in that way. Like we are so many levels beyond that. In terms of the way that our thinking about the future of humanity is expend uh, is it just shows how trapped people are in their current political fights.

Yeah, they have no idea how differentiated we're gonna be. They have no idea where our species is going. No idea how quickly we're gonna get there. And it's interesting to us because we're so public about this, a lot of people who are working on these sorts of technology under the radar that they think could be legislated against, you know, that come to us.

So we have a view of what's coming through the pipeline, and it is dramatically more than you think. I'm excited for it. Sad that maybe I don't get to become a cyborg as early as I would like. Let, Hey, they'll be trained on our books. That'll be better than us anyway. Our kids will be better than us anyway.

I'll just die, so it's fine. Yeah. Our book becoming irrelevant, yeah. It's, but that means they weren't good ideas. Right. You know, They'll train them on something better. Exactly. Our kids books, hopefully we're okay. We're okay with all that temporary, I'm. Just glad to live now because we get to see some major change.

Well, I am, am so lucky that I am married to such a weirdo as Simone because I wouldn't be able to have these conversations with anyone else. Uh, well I do have these conversations with other people, but they, it's so weird that we have such aligned, like we have aligned ourselves so much through all our conversations.

And yet this alignment is something I don't see in most people I talk to, like there is a small. Portion of the pro natal movement that's like, okay. Sort of Aligned with us. But I, I can't believe that I found the one weirdo to marry me. Who doesn't think that this is all crazy. Malcolm Collins, you are the butter to my bread.

I love talking with you so much and I'm looking forward to our next conversation. Well, You're the butter to my biscuits. Oh, you know, just what to say.

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