A conversation with Julie Cluff, as she talks about suffering the loss of her brother to suicide, and a failed marriage. Both of these losses preceded the toughest loss, that most of us can't even imagine. On Mother's Day in 2007, Julie was taking a trip from Texas to North Carolina to visit her in-laws with three of her children. She woke up to the suburban she was driving rolling down the median. When the car came to a rest and she later arrived at the hospital, she was told her two youngest children had died in the crash. This is an episode you cannot miss. Julie Cluff is a fellow podcaster, grief coach and author of a new book that comes out next month.