"Arguing against God's existence is on a par with arguing against air, breathing it all the while".  So says the website of Sye TenBrugencatte who believes that Christians need to rediscover the power of 'presuppositional apologetics'.

Our use of the laws of logic, mathematics, science and morality cannot be accounted for unless we believe in a God who guarantees our perceptions and reasoning is trustworthy in the first place.

Paul Baird describes himself as a "freethinker".  He debates whether he is obliged to believe in God when faced by Sye who argues that atheists are effectively "suppressing" the truth of God that is self evident - as described in Romans Ch 1.

Sye's website is http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

Paul Baird and Sye TenBruggencate are both online members of the "Unbelievable?" Group of the Premier Community and will be continuing to discuss there.  Check it out at http://www.premiercommunity.org.uk/group/unbelievable

For more Christian/non Christian debate visit http://www.premier.org.uk/unbelievable or get the podcast at http://ondemand.premier.org.uk/unbelievable/AudioFeed.aspx or Via Itunes

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