In this candid and wide-ranging episode, Wes and Craig dive deep into the meaning and purpose of church membership—asking hard questions like:

Is official membership biblical or just organizational?

Does signing a church covenant change your relationship with Christ?

What are the risks and rewards of committing to a local church body?

They also reflect on personal purpose in work and ministry, sharing real-life struggles about calling, midlife redirection, and trusting God’s timing in career and service.

Other highlights:

Reflections on the surprise election of the first American Pope—Leo XIV.

A rapid-fire rundown of historical Popes named Leo.

Obelisks, Babylonian symbolism, and Vatican oddities.

A heartfelt discussion on finding meaning at work (with nods to Tim Keller’s wisdom).

Comparing church membership to joining a club—and where the line of accountability and spiritual commitment really lies.

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