Can the right mind-set help businesses cope with Brexit? Two CEOs join Tim and Jen for this episode, as we welcome Lucy-Rose Walker, the chief exec of Edinburgh-based Entrepreneurial Spark, and Jim Duffy, its chief executive optimist - who is looking forward to returning to London to meet the Queen, having been awarded an MBE in the New Year's Honours List. Lucy and Jim chat about how they've helped grow hundreds of small businesses in all sectors - and how, despite the EU referendum result, there is no shortage of foreign start-ups coming to these shores. Having got some Scots on the show, we also touch on the thorny issue of independence, and Jim recalls how much he learnt from taking to the streets to sell the Big Issue for a day.

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