Will and Chris talk to DEVO’s Jerry Casale about all things de-evolution, including state violence, punk rock, media, advertising, record industry hacks, Ohio, freaking out your audience, and whether or not humanity can escape de-evolution, or if we’re doomed to repeat until we fail.

Check out the new vinyl release of Jerry’s solo LP: https://www.geraldvcasale.com/products/12-inch-lp-gatefold-red-vinyl?variant=42652243525819

And the video for the I’m Gonna Pay You Back single mentioned in the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kv2UMoynOw