I sit down with Jordan Bush to trace an unlikely arc—from a chance connection at PubKey’s Danish Christmas lunch to a candid deep-dive on faith, Bitcoin, and personal transformation. We swap stories from Nashville beefsteaks and Austin meetups, then get honest about career upheaval, trusting God without a safety net, and how money metaphors run through Scripture. We explore “Thank God for Bitcoin,” why monetary language helps illuminate spiritual realities, and what it means to pursue wisdom, humility, and trust when life (and markets) get hard.We also wade into today’s spicy governance debates—Core vs. Knots/OCEAN, inscriptions, and when moral language clarifies or derails the conversation. Jordan argues for stewarding limits over playing god; I push back on moralizing Bitcoin itself. Together we land on a tension worth keeping: passionate yet dispassionate inquiry, accepting Bitcoin’s constraints while growing as people. Along the way: a daughter’s profound spiritual moment, the Adirondacks’ quiet gifts, and a shared conviction that some hard roads are the ones that form us most. 'Thank God For Bitcoin' (organization): https://tgfb.com/about'Thank God For Bitcoin' (book): https://store.tgfb.com/products/thank-god-for-bitcoin-the-creation-corruption-and-redemption-of-moneyThank God For Bitcoin Podcasts: https://tgfb.com/podcastsPubKey (NYC Bitcoin bar): https://www.pubkey.bar/Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/researchEric Cason’s 'Crypto Sovereignty': https://cryptosovereignty.org/TABConf (Technical Bitcoin Conference): https://8.tabconf.com/venue/OCEAN (Bitcoin mining pool): https://ocean.xyz/Bitcoin Knots (full node implementation): https://bitcoinknots.org/Rock Paper Bitcoin (podcast): https://rockpaperbitcoin.fm/The Bitcoin Conference (BTC Inc): https://b.tc/conferenceHal Finney (Bitcoin pioneer): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Finney_(computer_scientist)Peter Todd (developer; official site): https://petertodd.orgBitcoin Magazine (background/reference): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_Magazine