Is Boris Johnson’s slow-burn unlocking actually – shock – the right thing to do? Will he be led by data, dates, deaths or whatever the CRG shouts at him? What will fertilise that “crocus of hope”? And will the panel all go turbo on June 21? Plus, what are the elephants in the room that we’ve been neglecting throughout the COVID-Brexit nightmare? Ros Taylor, Ian Dunt and Minnie Rahman join Naomi Smith for this week’s communal gaze into the abyss of politics. 

• “If you hate Zooms as an adult, you can’t begin to understand how awful it is watching kids trying to ‘play’ on Zoom.” – Ros Taylor
• “The rationale is, it’s fine if we put unimaginable pressure on the NHS as long as we don’t actually overwhelm it. And of course it’s NOT fine.” – Ian Dunt

Presented by Naomi Smith with Ros Taylor, Minnie Rahman and Ian Dunt. Produced by Andrew Harrison. Assistant producers: Jacob Archbold and Jelena Sofronijevic. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production.

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