America’s last three presidents couldn’t have been more different and yet they all contributed to declining U.S. international influence in real ways. So, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Depends on where you are sitting argue our three great panelists Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of Stanford and Julia Ioffe of The Atlantic. Or is the real question not so much about the US but whether the entire international system is on the ropes and the big winners are the forces of Chaos.. (And Rosa’s dog and Kori’s horse.)

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