"People say 'I believe in vaccines.' Nobody says that about seatbelts." Aaron Siri is the managing partner of Siri & Glimstad and, by most measures, the most consequential vaccine litigator in America. He's the attorney behind the famous nine-hour deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin — the man they call the godfather of vaccines — lead counsel for the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), a 2025 Senate witness, and a central legal figure in the RFK-era reshaping of federal vaccine policy. His new book is Vaccines, Amen: The Religion of Vaccines — in his words, "a cross-examination in book form." This one steps outside the show's usual lane, and I want to be upfront: this is not medical advice, I'm not a doctor, and everything Aaron argues here is his own case — where it's contested by public-health bodies, treat it as one side of an open debate. What ties it to this show is the question we always ask: how do you know what's real when you're not allowed to check? From there we go deep — how a custody case led to the legendary Plotkin deposition; the Hepatitis B shot Aaron says was licensed on a trial of 147 kids, five days of monitoring, and no control group; the 1986 law he calls "the original sin" that handed vaccine makers liability immunity; the Ford Pinto and what punitive damages actually do; informed consent versus the right to refuse; whether vaccines really stop transmission; and the measles-mortality data he argues almost no one talks about. A conversation about evidence, incentives, and who gets to audit the people in charge. Subscribe so you never miss an episode. 🎙️ GUEST Aaron Siri — Managing partner of Siri & Glimstad. Lead counsel for the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN). Author of the new book Vaccines, Amen: The Religion of Vaccines. Aaron Siri on X → x.com/AaronSiriSGWebsite → AaronSiriOfficial.com Book — Vaccines, Amen: The Religion of Vaccines Get Informed (ICAN) → icandecide.org 💰 SPONSORS & DISCOUNTS 🔑 Stamp Seed — After a week like this, back up your seed somewhere a bug can't reach. Hammer your seed words into solid titanium, fire-resistant to 3,000°F, and pair it with multisig to remove single points of failure. 21% OFF → stampseed.com | code MATRIX 🐟 Firefish — Don't sell your Bitcoin. Live off it. Non-custodial Bitcoin-backed loans. Your keys stay in 3-of-3 multisig. Rehypothecation is cryptographically impossible. $160M+ facilitated. 27,000+ users across 70 countries. 30% OFF the fees on your first loan → firefish.io/?ref=MATRIX | code MATRIX 🍊 Club Orange — The location-based social network for Bitcoiners. See the meetups in your city and the real merchants near you who take Bitcoin. Download in the App Store or Google Play → cluborange.org/matrix-podcast ₿ Bitcoin Well — Concierge OTC for serious Bitcoin buys. $50k+ handled one-on-one, from first call to settlement. Global, by application. infinite.bitcoinwell.com/get-qualified/bitcoinmatrix🔐 Unchained — 90,000+ BTC secured in collaborative multisig since 2016. Bitcoin-only. Never lent out a sat. IRAs, loans, inheritance planning. 10% OFF → unchained.com/matrix | code MATRIX10 💎 River — Buy Bitcoin the right way. Up to $100 FREE Bitcoin. river.com/matrix🏥 CrowdHealth — Ditch your fiat health insurance like my family did. Join us at CrowdHealth. joincrowdhealth.com | code MATRIX 🛡️ Meanwhile — The world's first Bitcoin life insurance policy. Premiums and payouts in Bitcoin. meanwhile.bm | code YTPFYD ⛏️ Sazmining — You took the red pill on money. Now own the machine that makes it. Mine your own Bitcoin: own the hardware, 100% renewable, non-custodial, coins straight from the network to your wallet. $100 OFF any rig → deals.sazmining.com/bitcoinmatrix | code BTCMATRIX 🙏 SUPPORT THE SHOW ⚡ Strike → BitcoinMatrix@strike.me 💵 PayPal → paypal.biz/BitcoinMatrix 💚 Cash App → cash.app/$BitcoinMatrix 💜 Venmo → venmo.com/u/bitcoinmatrix 📬 PO Box → The Bitcoin Matrix, P.O. Box 18056, Sarasota, FL 34231 📱 FOLLOW 🌐 Website → TheBitcoinMatrix.com 🐦 Cedric on X → x.com/cedyoungelman 🐦 Show on X → x.com/_bitcoinmatrix 🟣 Nostr → npub12tq9jxmt707gd5vnce3tqllpm67ktr0mqskcvy58qqa4d074pz9s4ukdcs ⚠️ DISCLAIMER For entertainment and educational purposes only. Nothing in this episode is medical, legal, financial, or investment advice. The views and claims expressed are the guest's own and are contested by public-health bodies; always talk to your own physician and do your own research.