#130 - Nicole Perlroth on THIS IS HOW THEY TELL ME THE WORLD ENDS

Nicole Perlroth, a cybersecurity and digital espionage journalist for The New York Times, chats with Trey Elling about THIS IS HOW THEY TELL ME THE WORLD ENDS: THE CYBER WEAPONS ARMS RACE, including: an explanation of zero-day exploits that have become so valuable to governments and businesses around the world, how the US initiated international cyber-conflict, whether American officials recognize their role in cyberwar, a phone call Nicole received in 2017 that speaks to the book's ominous title, and more.