California residents are leaving the state in record numbers, and cities are suffering the most. It started with the COVID pandemic, but studies show it's not slowing down. 

A report done by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago say numbers from the moving company United Van Lines show 60% of their business in California is from people leaving the state altogether. 

For more on, KCBS Radio news anchors Patti Reising and Kris Ankarlo spoke with Matthew Kahn, Urban Economics Professor at USC and author of "Going Remote."