Chris Deerin reports from the SNP conference, where even "statesmanlike" Humza Yousaf couldn't outshine a guest appearance from his predecessor Nicola Sturgeon.

Chris joins Anoosh Chakelian and Rachel Wearmouth to discuss the mood of the conference, which was heavy on expectation management.

Read Chris Deerin's interview with Humza Yousaf:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics-interview/2023/10/humza-yousaf-last-snp-leader-interview

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