Hayes Carll is a singer-songwriter who just released the best album of his career called Lovers

and Leavers. You can purchase it by clicking here. To kick off the show, Hayes plays a song from the new album called “Sake of the Song” and then talks to Brian about getting out of his creative comfort zone (8:00), the process of creating the album (16:00), and the fear of not doing what was expected of him (30:00). Plus, Hayes and Brian learn about the death of Guy Clark (38:00) and discuss how his new songs are being received and what it feels like to reconnect with his music and fans.

Shownotes: Slate.com/TheMoment

Twitter: @BrianKoppelman

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