This episode I interview Dr. Anna Lembke, M.D., Chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic at Stanford University School of Medicine. Dr. Lembke is a psychiatrist expert in treating addictions of all kinds: drugs, alcohol, food, sex, video games, gambling, food, medication, etc. Dr. Lembke is also an expert in the opioid crisis, and the author of Dopamine Nation.
We discuss the biology and psychology of why people become addicted to certain substances and behaviors and the key role that our "dopamine balance" plays in creating addiction. We also discuss the science and practice of how to conquer addictions, why people relapse and how to avoid relapsing. Dr. Lembke also shares her expertise on topics closely related to addiction such as community, shame and lying and she explains why telling the truth—even about the most basic things in daily life, adjusts dopamine levels in our brain.
This episode is an important one for anyone struggling with addictions of any kind, for their friends and families and for health care professionals. It is also for anyone who has defeated addiction and is determined to stay clean. Last but not least, it helps explain why all humans do what we do, and how we can all maintain a healthy sense of pleasure seeking in life.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Dr. Anna Lembke, Addiction Expert
00:02:42 Disclaimer & Sponsors: AG1, LMNT & Waking Up
00:07:00 Dopamine, Happiness & Impulsivity
00:15:56 What Is Pleasure?
00:18:20 Addiction, Boredom & Passion for Life
00:24:00 Pain-Pleasure Balance Controls Addiction
00:29:10 Dopamine Deficits, Anhedonia
00:30:47 Are All Addictions the Same?
00:35:38 Boredom & Anxiety Lead to Creativity
00:40:35 Finding Your Passion Starts with Boredom & Action Steps
00:50:05 How to Break an Addiction
00:55:25 Relapse, Craving & Triggers
01:07:40 Can People Get Addicted To “Sobriety”?
01:11:45 Are We All Wired for Addiction?
01:15:57 Bizarre Addiction
01:18:14 Recovered Addicts Are Heroes
01:20:10 Lying, Truth Telling, Guilt & Shame
01:30:40 Clinical Applications of: Ibogaine, Ayahuasca, Psilocybin & MDMA
01:40:20 Social Media Addiction
01:51:25 Narcissism
01:53:30 Goal Seeking, Success & Surprise
01:58:10 Reciprocity
02:01:15 Closing Comments, Resources
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