Is Apple a big business trapped in the body of a startup? Myke and Jason discuss that issue, say lots of things that might be quoted out of context later, and then settle in to watch 1984's "Gremlins."

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Thoroughly Considered - Relay FM

Canopy – Studio Neat

The Talk Show ✪: Ep. 173, With Special Guest Jason Snell

Pundits believe Apple's Jony Ive no longer involved in iPhone, Mac product design - Apple Insider

Daring Fireball: On Jony Ive’s Role at Apple

2017 iPhone May Feature Edge-to-Edge Display With Embedded Touch ID Sensor, Front-Facing Camera - Mac Rumors

Apple may have finally gotten too big for its unusual corporate structure - Vox

Understanding Apple’s Marginalization of the Mac - Tidbits

Ginger-Molasses Cookies — Pixels + Crumbs

Ginger-Molasses Cookies - Pork Cracklins

Gremlins (1984) - IMDb

Skinflint: A Country Christmas Carol - YouTube

Skinflint: A Country Christmas Carol (TV Movie 1979) - IMDb

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