Debbie Nichols and Caroline Matthis suffer from a disease known as Alpha Gal Syndrome, a tick-borne illness that makes the effected person allergic to mammal meat and animal products. During their conversation with host Vance Crowe the three talk about living with Alpha Gal Syndrome, how to diagnose the disease, the person that suggested giving Alpha Gal to people to stop animal agriculture and the mourning that happened when they lost the ability to eat meat.

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Chapters — 

0:00 Start
3:38 Interview Beginning 
4:48 What is it like to have alpha-gal
8:43 How do you know if you have alpha-gal
11:58 Alpha-gal symptoms
17:39 How does a tick bite cause alpha-gal?
27:50 Can alpha-gal go away?
38:10 Why can't you drink some wines with alpha-gal?
49:45 How to get tested for alpha-gal
53:02 Psychology of giving up food

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