Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dissect the recent assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump. This in-depth discussion covers the media's initial attempts to downplay the event, the political implications, and broader concerns about the state of American democracy. The Collins family offers their unique perspective on this shocking event, its aftermath, and what it means for the upcoming election.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] It's no longer the deep state is a conspiracy. We are now at the deep state is real and is running for president.

Simone Collins: But I think you also have to get back to that reality.

People are okay.

Malcolm Collins: And so now the question is the deep state actually responsible for these felony charges? Are they responsible for the assassination attempt? And what scares me is I'm leaning towards no, I'm leaning towards all just malfeasance and stupidity and inaction, but I think it's plausibly yes.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but people are okay with that. That's what scares me if somebody did shoot something at another person, what should happen to them?

Octavian Collins: You know.

They can get hurt.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone.

What a crazy day to be alive and an American. And. For you to be running for office in the middle of all of this this is again one of those moments so weird that this happened so soon after that I think a [00:01:00] pivotal debate, which in many ways felt like a turning point in American history. And then you have this.

Simone Collins: Yeah, this summer really puts the crazy in

Malcolm Collins: democracy. The crazy in democracy. So yeah, we are going to go over a few things here. One that we'll go over later is I want to give a full account of what actually happened and how it happened, because I notice that the newspapers have done a very poor job of that.

Two, I want to talk about that within the context of this current political battle and what this means. Yeah. But the thing I want to start with because it's what genuinely chilled me the most and for those who don't know I don't know who you are. But somebody just tried to assassinate Trump. And they it was a 20 year old That means that this person would have been 12 when Trump first came into office they shot at Trump they just grazed him his ear but two

Simone Collins: people were killed, including the shooter and two people were critically [00:02:00] injured and Trump had his ear pierced by a bullet.

Malcolm Collins: Two critical injures one victim deaths, one shooter deaths, and then Trump's ear being grazed and obviously the optics of this for Trump are fantastic in terms of him coming out, shouting, fight fight, fight, you know, I think a lot of people after that debate uh, this is something that I've heard in my friend circles.

Said, Oh, they're going to try to have him assassinated. You just, I thought they were crazy. They're like two weeks.

Simone Collins: And literally like in a campaign strategy call recently, maybe just a couple of days ago, Biden said that we have to put Trump in the crosshairs, which now is just such bad wording.

Oh, and

Malcolm Collins: I remember when there was the attempted shooting or there was a shooting of some democratic representatives and somebody had said something like that, or there was a time when The Sarah Palin used crosshairs in one of her political ads,

Simone Collins: And then Gabby Giffords was shot, and this was about 15 years ago.

Another politician, if you're not in the U. S. And then later Sarah Palin actually sued someone who blamed her for this. So I, I. I believe a media publication for defamation [00:03:00] or libel. But the left

Malcolm Collins: was like, she needs to withdraw. She needs to like, that is how seriously they took this.

And yet they treat this like nothing when it's Biden. And when it's a president who was almost assassinated. We need to the thing that was most chilling to me about this because I want to start with this was what you found Simone in terms of the newspapers trying to hide from the public that this had happened.

So can you go over some of the initial headlines?

Simone Collins: Yeah. So Trump escorted away after loud noises at PA rally from the Washington post, CNN, loud noises at PA rally, loud noises. CNN reported secret service rushes Trump off stage after he falls at rally, which just makes it sound like, he was tremendously old, like Biden or something.

Took a spill which is not great. And then here's USA Today. Trump removed from stage by Secret Service after loud noises startles [00:04:00] former president crowd.

Malcolm Collins: Startles former president? Somebody's head friggin exploded on stage. Now, in case you're like a lefty here and you're like, oh, it was very You know, like it was a loud thing.

Lots of people didn't know what was fully going on. You need to keep in mind a few things. Uh, one person was, like, there's blood everywhere. It was very clear in the moment it was a someone in

Simone Collins: the actual bleachers Did get shot in the head and did die. So that is important to note.

So some people are literally around a dead person. Trump's ear was grazed. . And what was I think really interesting was, I was listening to some Australian coverage of this because we're recording this fewer than 24 hours since this actually happened.

And the Australian coverage, it was so funny. They're like these Americans, guns are really big in America. So they've been, training with school shooter drillings for most of their lives. So everyone knew immediately what to do once the shooter. Started firing, everyone hit the floor, but they also recovered really quickly.

Within moments they were chanting USA after adjusting to it. So there's [00:05:00] painting Americans as these people like, Oh it's an, it's like that South Park school shooting episode,

Stanley, well, do you want to tell your father about what happened at school today? I flunked my math quiz. No, the other thing. What other thing? Oh, the school shooting? Yes, the school shooting! Oh yeah, some kids shot up the school. Was it you? No.

Did you get shot? No. Oh. Well, what's this about failing a math quiz?

Malcolm Collins: It seems that almost everyone immediately knew this was an active shooting.

So much so that the BBC was doing a piece on this. So we'll get to this in a second. But it's actually really important that everyone in the crowd realized this was an active shooting very quickly. And reporters who were not part of the American media establishment and didn't know they were supposed to spin this as a non active shooting situation, specifically the BBC.

immediately reported this as an act of shooting. Oh, yeah. Instead of a loud

Simone Collins: noise.

Malcolm Collins: Instead of a loud noise. One of

Simone Collins: our friends even sent us a picture [00:06:00] of the bullet that was captured mid frame. You can see a line in the air. Yeah. And I wrote back, I'm like, that's a very fascinating looking loud noise.

Malcolm Collins: But. This matters because we lived in an environment up until recently where the U. S. media was able to get away with this kind of lying to the American public.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And I think now there were this was a rally. So finally, we're in a situation where there were hundreds of people with active recording phones at that moment.

And they

Malcolm Collins: thought they could get away with lying about this. That astounds me. So this type of media attempting to gaslight the American people since Elon bought X, it's come out increasingly that this has been happening very regularly.

Because before that, they also had the big tech firms in their pocket and if they still had them all I suspect they may have tried to run with the loud noise narrative, and for people who are like, no, they wouldn't do that, even though it obviously came out that they were wrong about this. I suggest you Google the [00:07:00] recent outbreak of trans mass shooters.

You will see Elon talking about it. You will see people on X talking about it. And then you will find at the top of your Google results and at the top of your news results that it is a myth. That is what all of the papers will say about it. This is a myth, even though it's very easy to confirm.

So I'll just go over here just so people know like real news. This is why real news channels like this are important. Instead of going through the corporate mass media in 2017, there was the Randy Stare mass shooting in Tanahawken, PA. This was the it's known as the Danny Phantom shooting.

If you want to see the Turkey Tom episode on it, it's actually never

Simone Collins: heard of it. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: No, because the media covered up most of these mass shootings,

Because they were done by trans people. Next you had a shooting at a Maryland distribution center in 2018 um, then you had a school shooting in Denver in 2019, so no, right now.

2017, 2018, 2019. Then the Colorado Springs LGBT nightclub shooter [00:08:00] self identified as non binary, they've tried to say, oh, he doesn't deserve that identity because he did this shooting. It's yeah, but he did identify that way.

That was in 2022. Then in 2023 the Nashville school shooting was also transgender now people can be like, oh that's not that many.

That's only. Shooters, almost one a year. That's not that many mass shooters.

And then I would point out that since 1982 in the United States, there have only been four female, cis female mass shootings. So just since 2017, there has been it. as many trans mass shootings as there has been female mass shootings since 1982.

That is absolutely an epidemic. I just can't even that anyone could pretend that this is anything other than like a major issue that we need to take care of, but it goes against the law. The extreme leftist, the urban monocultures narrative around what's happening. [00:09:00] And so they have continued to try to suppress it.

And I think just because the story about it hasn't got viral enough yet. They've been able to get away with it. Whereas with the attempted assassination, they had to backtrack. After the, and to just think that would be your initial instinct. You see a guy's head explode and your initial instinct is, Oh, this isn't going to be good for my campaign.

Let's cover it up. Do you have any thoughts on this before we go further?

I wanted to hear your thoughts on the attempted media cover up of this.

I mean, it was clearly coordinated across multiple platforms. That was the thing that really got me. It wasn't like a few people or one person messed up.

Octavian Collins: Yeah, I don't. So

Simone Collins: there, there are already multiple conspiracy theories around this. I think that it's not as malicious as people think it is in that I don't think it was coordinated and I don't think people got on a call and were like, [00:10:00] Hey, we need to head this off.

I think it's more that. Most mainstream media outlets will take the least charitable interpretation of something that Trump does. At any given time, and I think a lot of that's commercially driven you have to keep in mind that most of the people reading these mainstream media outlets that have not already completely been alienated by their dishonesty and by their political bias are extremely progressive people.

And those extremely progressive people have what's known as Trump derangement syndrome. And if anything is even slightly charitable toward him. they're going to get angry and probably go to another publication because these are the people who invented cancellation.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, I would normally agree with you, but even for a progressive media piece, an attempted assassination is going to get more clicks than there was a loud noise and an old man fell over.

I think that like I hear you, I think that what you are right about it, I don't think that this was coordinated. I think it was just. If there are multiple potential interpretations of something that somebody saw they [00:11:00] will choose the most even if it's not with the majority of evidence supports, even if it requires a little bit of a distortion of reality, they'll choose the one that makes Trump look the worst.

But then you've also got to look at it in the context of this trans shooting coverup. And I think there

Simone Collins: is this sort of concerted. Feeling of civic obligation as viewed from the perspective of these journalists and editors of, okay, this happened, but we can't let it cause the unthinkable with the unthinkable being, Oh, people will start to be against trans rights.

Or in this case, people will possibly be swayed to vote for Trump when they otherwise would not have. Correct.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And this is also where I think it's really interesting. I think that the public actually got pretty when I say the public, the urban monoculture the Dems got pretty lucky that Trump wasn't hit in this assassination attempt.

It would have been catastrophic for them if he had been hit. Specifically, it would have meant that one of his kids would likely be running in his place. That would have been [00:12:00] who the party would rally behind. Wow. No, think about it. His kids have already shown an interest in getting politically active.

They, as a matter of family honor, would likely see it as a responsibility to run. This would be somebody running who just had their father be shot by the other team. It would have made them a shoe in for office. That's

Simone Collins: No the GOP and the political apparatus would not have let that happen.

I hear you. It's just that they have like none of the. Infrastructure set up and that's why it would have,

Malcolm Collins: that's why it would have happened. So this is, I'll tell you exactly how the events would have played out. Okay. If the GOP immediately rallied behind them, it wouldn't happen, but what gave Trump his validity in the mind of his base is that the GOP started hating him and then he overcame that.

And now they mostly follow him. If. Immediately after his assassination, because you've got to think about who else takes the presidential spot. A number of people would have put their hands up. One of them would have been his sons. The GOP would have immediately said, [00:13:00] Oh, you can't, all the stodgy politicians would have immediately said, Oh, you can't go to his son.

He's not, qualified enough. He's not whatever enough. And then all of the memes would have come out of them saying the exact same thing about Trump in the past. Easily, because no one else is like an heir apparent right now in terms of post Trump the, naturally the public sentiment, especially among Trump's most fervent base, would have gone to his son.

And the, really the only thing that could have prevented it is both of the older ones running at once. That's the only thing that could have prevented this from happening. And then you've got the problem of then you have a genuine Trumpist dynasty. With the Republican party becoming the party of Trump's family.

Now a lot of Americans you're like, that could never happen, but this has actually happened in a number of other Democratic parties where certain parties are just the party of X family. And that I think would be very bad. Do you

Simone Collins: mean like the Bushes and the Trumps and the Clintons or the Kennedys?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No. So we've never really had this happen in the US. We have had candidates get elected multiple times. So you've [00:14:00] had the only instance that I can think of that it would be even remotely close to this is the George Bush senior and George Bush junior.

But the problem is the George Bush senior and George Bush junior is their political platforms. Really didn't have that much continuity. It wasn't that they were getting elected one after another. There were other candidates in between them. And they weren't seen as part of an interconnected brand.

Now the Clinton's and then Chelsea winning that would have been an instance of this. But that didn't happen. And then it was that happening? I also wouldn't be as worried because who knows if Chelsea's even going to have that many kids. Does she have kids? Like for this

Simone Collins: to happen, Clinton has at least one child.

Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. For this to happen, you need an actually fecund family where you can have multiple family members run if another one can't run. So with the Trump family, one son loses and the other one's running next time. And then you've got his kids. So you actually need a large enough family for this.

To be a real risk. And the Trump family, especially after a Trump assassination would pose a very real risk of this. [00:15:00] And it's not that I have a problem with his kids. I just don't think it's politically healthy for one party in this country to become overly associated with one family or another. And there just isn't anyone else in the wings.

That's the problem. You're like, Oh, they wouldn't choose the kids. Who else are they going to rally behind this shortly before the convention? Cliché. Then you have the secondary problem, which I also think is really interesting. And some people have been like yeah, there's Dems cheering about this and saying, oh, they wish he had been hit like destiny, for example, made a post about this, which is like, all I see is Biden plus one in a picture of one of the dead Trump supporters which is obviously really horrible that anyone would say that.

But a lot of people are like, Republicans would be the same way. And I'm like, no, my God. No, there isn't a Republican alive in the U. S. right now who wouldn't want Biden assassinated. Not for his interest. It's just I can see a Democrat having him assassinated right now because it would solve an enormous problem the Democrats have at the moment, which is his dementia problem.

Yeah. literally , He's so much more harmful to the party [00:16:00] alive than dead.

Yeah yeah and it's also interesting that the shooter didn't think this through. A lot of people just don't really think through I do X, what happens next? We don't

Simone Collins: know what the shooter We don't know, actually,

Malcolm Collins: so I can go further into the shooter stuff that we do know about, because there's been a piece of information that somehow the media hasn't really picked up.

So a lot of people know this is what we do know, okay? So the guy was 20.

Simone Collins: His name was Thomas Matthew Crooks. He is a 20 year old from Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, which was about 40 miles from the, where the Trump rally took place. He likely used an AR 15, almost certainly used an AR 15 to shoot him. And he was registered to vote at the time of his death. So it was a. Yesterday as a Republican only known political donation was to act blue, which supports democratic candidates.

Malcolm Collins: So it's it's a bit of a confusing situation.

And this is what

the media hasn't picked up. So there was a misidentified individual who made some [00:17:00] social media posts about how much he hated Trump and

Simone Collins: this random Twitter user who also has a Republican. So it was a white young man with longish hair.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So people misidentified on our discord. They described the shooter as looking like a failed abortion.

What are you doing Octavian? Come here. The audience wants to meet you

Octavian Collins: so you just put that all the way in.

All the way, and you gotta put that all the way.

Simone Collins: Oh, you gotta be strong for that.

Octavian Collins: And then, do this.

Simone Collins: Whoa! And what's the rule?

Octavian Collins: Cleaning up the mess.

Malcolm Collins: And what's the other rule?

Octavian Collins: No, first, no point it, it's just a person.

Malcolm Collins: Especially not the president, right?

Octavian Collins: No.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, you would never point that at the president.

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. That's good.

Octavian Collins: And this if, this this this gonna actually find to kill person. I mean, Her persons [00:18:00] okay. So it should be, it won't kill her

Malcolm Collins: people, you mean?

No.

Octavian Collins: Yeah, I don't want to hurt people, so be careful with it. Okay, Mommy? I will be careful with it. Thank you. Because they will get hurt.

Simone Collins: Okay, Octavian, if somebody did shoot something at another person, what should happen to them? You know.

Octavian Collins: They can get hurt.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, that does happen. They can get hurt if they try to shoot somebody, right?

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: All right. Come get up. This is a piece of information that they didn't pick up. Okay. I don't know this then I'm curious. Okay. The shooter. Was 20 years old. You cannot register for a party in the United States before the age of 18.

That gives us a window for when he registered. So while we don't know when he registered, we do know it was around or after when he made the donation to the [00:19:00] democratic party. , it wasn't like he flipped parties or something like that because some people are asking like maybe he was a registered Republican for a long time. And then recently he became democratic and started donating to Democrats.

But that's not the case. The registration happened before or after the donation. So we have two events that we know about, right? We know that he donated to democratic political candidates. Then we know that. During X period he registered as a Republican and then two years later, he tries to assassinate the head of the Republican party during both of those two periods.

This to me is why

Simone Collins: The 2022, sorry, the 2022 election, two years ago when he was 18. Yes. Theoretically was not a presidential election. So Trump wasn't involved at all.

Malcolm Collins: It was a mid

Simone Collins: cycle election. If anything, he would have Participated in that election to vote in the primary against specific Republicans that he wanted to keep out of office.

But that's a really odd thing. I honestly just think he probably registered as a Republican for some reason. [00:20:00] He owned an AR 15 or had access to one. That's the kind of thing that a Republican would do. He might just He didn't own an AR

Malcolm Collins: 15, his dad did.

Simone Collins: Oh, his dad did?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. I just I think that the news, this is my read.

I think it's going to come out very obviously that he was a crazed Democrat and the news is going to try to spin it that he was a Republican.

Be sure that you guys have the most up-to-date information here. Uh, and these go live a bit after we filmed them. Uh, so the more information has come out about the potential assassin. Uh, what he was like in school specifically, he was a very lonely individual. He didn't appear to have many friends.

One person even described him as the type of person you'd expect to shoot up a school. You had that known as having strong political opinions. And, uh, as to his shooting ability, I'll read a little excerpt here from an article from ABC. Meyers. And another student said that. Cook's tried to join the school's rifle team, but was rejected and it's not to return. After a pre-season session. [00:21:00] Quote, he didn't just not make the team.

He was asked not to come back because of how bad a shot he was. It was considered like dangerous in quote said, Myers. Another member of the team who asked not to be named told ABC news that there was a view that crooks. Quote, wasn't really a fit for the rifle team in quote. And quote. He also shot terrible in quote.

Simone Collins: Yeah, we'll see. This is the conjecture part, but there are some things that we can talk about a little bit more solidly, like the political fallout and also like by saying, some specific

Malcolm Collins: events before we go further.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Because I think some of the eyewitness reports were really interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So on July 14th, 2024, an assassination attempt was made against US former president Donald Trump during a campaign rally in Butler County, Pennsylvania the timeline of events 6. 02 PM. Trump takes the stage 6.

11, a few minutes into Trump's speech, gunfire erupts. Now we should note before [00:22:00] this. Some of the audience members saw the other guy climbing onto this building with a gun and then army crawling into position and tried to alert the secret service who did not notice. Yeah, specifically

Simone Collins: I love the quote from that one redheaded local businessman.

Who's we're like, Hey man, this is. This guy on the roof with a rifle and the police were like, huh? They didn't know what was going on just the way he delivered. It was fantastic. Yeah, and there's additional another man reported and then I can send you a link from this if you want to include the clip But another man present on the scene, told a police officer that a man was up on the roof.

So yeah, police officers were being informed about this from multiple people. And there's even footage that, that came out on Twitter, I think that from cell phone coverage, people like uploading stuff on their cell phone of moments before shots were fired, people screaming, he has a gun.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And I should note, because people are like, this seems like an assassination attempt by the I if it was I, It's [00:23:00] actually plausible, and I'll explain why I think it's plausible that this was done in a more coordinated fashion. I will show an aerial footage of the stage,

And the location where the shooter was.

There are no other raised buildings in the area. If you are familiar with even just from movies, like myself, and you are scouting an area for positional shooters, you look for raised platforms where they could set up. This isn't like a kind of like an obvious raised platform. This is At the beach, if you were looking for a lifeguard, like a lifeguard stand.

It's like not noticing the lifeguard in the lifeguard stand. It was incredibly obvious. And then obvious to the crowd tried to notify multiple people. And everyone was saying after Biden's performance in our circles, the left is going to try to assassinate him after this. And this ended up happening.

And keep in mind, sorry, before I go back I'm going to get to the, Attempt to smear him with this absolutely bogus felony conviction. But I'm going to [00:24:00] do that after we get through the timeline of events. Because this is also really interesting, like just how far they've gone and trying to get him and how much they have ignored democratic norms at this point.

Sorry. So 611 to 612, the shooting lasts less than a minute. One spectator is killed and two others are critically injured. Snipers from Trump's security detail kill the suspected attacker. So when I first heard this, I was like, that's sus. How did he hit, how did he hit spectators? If the crowd was below, Trump was on a raised platform and he was on a raised platform.

The did you have that immediate thought as well?

Simone Collins: No.

Malcolm Collins: The way he hit them is there was a bleacher of spectators behind Trump.

And that's how he ended up hitting spectators. Which is just absolutely horrible that this happened. It's devastating. Yeah, it's devastating. They just think that, you and I could have gone to a campaign rally, these people had families and everything.

It's just absolutely horrifying.

Simone Collins: The man who was killed, his family was with him there. Oh my god. [00:25:00] They witnessed, I mean, they were in

Malcolm Collins: shock, obviously. It's just horrible.

So I went to read into the script. What was, uh, the daughter of the man who died, said about him and the event. Yesterday time stopped. And when it started again, my family and I started living a real life nightmare. It was supposed to be an exciting day that we had all looked forward to, especially my dad. Turned into.

The most traumatizing experiences someone could imagine. I know the media will cover this event and I'm going to try my best to stay away from looking at everything, especially. Because I've already seen. And lived through it in real time, but I want everyone to know what the media will not cover and will not say about him. He was the best data girl could ever ask for him.

My sister and I never needed for anything. You call, he would answer. And he would do whatever it is you needed. And if you didn't know how he would figure out how he could talk and make friends with anyone, which he was doing [00:26:00] all day yesterday and loved every minute of it, he was a man of God loved Jesus fiercely, and also looked after our church and our members as family.

The media will not tell you that he died a real life, super hero. They are not going to tell you how quickly he threw my mom and I to the ground. They are not going to tell you that he shielded my body from the bullets that came at us. He loved his family. He truly loved us enough to take a real bullet for us. And I want nothing more than to cry on him and tell him, thank you. I want nothing more than to wake up and this to not be reality for me and my family. We lost a selfless loving husband, father, brother. So, yeah, two kids.

Malcolm Collins: Um, and then You have the scene, and this is the scene that really changed everything. There were so many ways that this could have gone.

That it went with Trump being ducked down after his ear was shot and he felt the blood gushing and everything like [00:27:00] that. But then that his immediate reaction to this was not to run away or anything like that, but to put up his hand and to start yelling fight.

Simone Collins: And it should be emphasized that is not easy to do.

One, Trump is in his Mid 70s or something. So what happens is he ducked when he realized that he had been shot, then he was almost immediately tackled by his secret service detail. They've been trained to create a human shield when there's an active shooter situation. So I think they like turtle over the president and then their job fighting them.

Yeah. And so he actually, as they were trying to remove him from the stage was actively

fighting them to get his head to stick out from the turtle of secret service people that was, it formed around him to put up his fist and pump the air and say fight. Actually, though, what picked up on the mics first before he started fighting to get out was like, Take my shoes.

I want to keep my shoes with me. So he was wearing some nice kicks. The reason

Malcolm Collins: why he wanted his shoes, by the way, that's been speculated. And I fully believe this. It's very true. He wears lifters or something. Yeah. He wears heavy lifters. [00:28:00] It would make sense. How tall a president is, has been shown in statistics.

You're really, you're taking so many pictures

Simone Collins: with people. You've got to look tall. Yeah. No, this is a man who understands his image. A 70 year old man to fight. Off the secret service to make it out after being shot at. If we could have 5 percent of as majestic a reaction to being

Malcolm Collins: shot every person I want to run for president just so I can do this.

No. I never ever want to see you in

Simone Collins: danger. You're not allowed to get shot at. You're not allowed to get in danger. This is not something you are allowed to want.

Malcolm Collins: But no, it's one of these things, like guys just have these fantasies about somebody attacks their family and then they come out and defend them. But one of the fantasies of every male politician is they get shot and then like Teddy Roosevelt for people who aren't familiar with this, Teddy Roosevelt got shot before a, like 50 page speech.

And he went through the speech after getting shot before leaving the stage. Then there's the famous incident of the guy [00:29:00] who tried to attack Andrew Jackson and his gun didn't go off and Andrew Jackson had a cane and he just went at him like a chimpanzee, beating the guy. And I think he, I don't know if the guy died or like almost died.

Sounds like

Simone Collins: Jackson. So that's great. That's fantastic. That

Malcolm Collins: is not a guy who you want to, I can just imagine, because if anyone knows like Andrew Jackson's reputation. Yeah, if you're going to shoot, don't miss. Like way too many duels. He was like really into duels and killing people and that was his reputation in the war.

The campaign ads against him showed him sitting on a mountain of skulls. I actually genuinely hate Andrew Jackson as a person. He's a hateable person. I do not like that the right, or some people on the right have tried to compare Trump to him. Trump is nothing like Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson is America's Hitler.

Absolutely deserves to be remembered as such. I, just so people know, like, why I hate him so much. What he did with the Native Americans was absolutely inexcusable. The Cherokee people had tried because of Andrew Jackson, we can't say if you just [00:30:00] adopted the Western ways and worked with our government peacefully, that everything would have turned out okay for you.

Because they did all of that. And then he just basically went into peaceful settlements and started shooting people and then taking them, basically, captive and moving them to unproductive land and taking all their stuff just so his cronies could get land. He was a genuinely horrible person.

And the way he acted during his life, like all of these duels that you didn't need to do, like the way if you were manly and you were doing a duel, most people were like supposed to miss on purpose. And Andrew Jackson would do this thing where the other person would miss and then he just slowly like line up the shot after that because they were one shot muskets.

He had no honor. He was a bad guy. But to think getting in front of a guy like this and your gun goes this guy is oh, now I get to kill you. Free of charge in front of a crowd free. Hooray. Oh my gosh. Anyway we've gotta, we gotta keep going here. I think going forwards, this fight, fight, fight is going to become his main rally, this campaign is [00:31:00] the fist in the air.

And I actually think it lends itself to a perfect rally for a Trump campaign where it feels like he has been unjustly hit with felonies. He has been unjustly maligned in the media. He has had assassination attempts on him. And I think that this is the way a lot of Americans feel right now. I was talking to in our discord, one person was like it's not for you to decide whether or not the felony classification of Trump was justified.

This isn't a court of public opinion thing. This is for the professionals. Technically.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: We can see the legal stuff. Like we're not stupid. We can see that this was trumped up and they're like, no, you don't know that. You're not a professional. I'm like, no, this is for the court of public opinion.

When, as happens in many countries throughout history the legal establishment becomes corrupt and the citizen body of a democracy is supposed to fix it, how can they fix it? If they just [00:32:00] create these heuristics we don't look at the results. of trials. I don't try to apply critical thought to that.

That is how the left has been able to get as far as they have applied this. You're not a journalist, therefore you don't get to make these kinds of judgments. You're not a scientist, therefore you don't get to make these kinds of judgments. You're not a a legal scholar, therefore you don't get to make these types of judgments.

And for those who haven't looked into the felony classification I want to read for you guys what comes out of AI. I think anyone who's looking at this in any way sober minded would be like, oh my god, this is banana republic stuff. This is You know what you get in, in, in developing countries that don't have real political apparatus and somebody comes out, they challenge the regime, and then they get slapped by, it's Putin esque, to be honest.

In New York, falsifying business records can be either a misdemeanor or a felony. It becomes a felony, first degree, when the act of falsifying records was done with the intent to commit or conceal another trump. crime. In Trump's case, prosecutors argued that the falsification was done [00:33:00] to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.

Now that's insane I think anyone who is being honest with themselves and looking at That charge can be like wait.

So where is the additional crime? Is the crime, okay, is the crime literally just that Trump was running for office? Is that what they consider a crime? And the answer is basically yes. That is what they considered a crime, and that is why and anyone who's reading it can see this. And when you read it, I remember you read it for the first time and you were like, I was surprised at how flimsy it was. What were your thoughts when you first started researching that case?

No, go collect all the bullets. I noticed you made a mess.

Octavian Collins: Oh, clean up the mess, buddy.

Simone Collins: It was, what bothered me was that People involved specifically were elected to, with the promise that they would do this to Trump. So it was very clearly politically motivated, like literally politically motivated, and that [00:34:00] the technicality on which he was given this felony charge.

involved choosing one crime and then like selecting some other crime that had to have happened at the same time, something along those lines. And it just seemed somewhat arbitrary just like technically, how do we get them? But that's how law works. That's how this functions.

It's not technically wrong. I just also think that if you want to play this game, you could technically get anyone on anything pretty much. You just have to, have enough people who are really trying to catch you on these technicalities. So no one is safe if this is how we're going to play the game.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so to be clear this is falsifying business records. So first you have to keep in mind how many business records Trump has and the way he does business, which is and everyone in that sector really does business when you're dealing with the That size of deals, which is you're always moving money around in ways that is plausibly shady.

So all they needed to do is say, really, any of his normal business [00:35:00] dealings was connected to some vague other crime without proving or specifying what the other crime was. And that really just meant Anyone could be connected of a felony who was in the type of business that Trump was in.

Simone Collins: Oh, but I also think anyone who has worked in politics or who's done pretty much anything can be convicted of maybe not a felony, but of absolutely something for sure.

Which is why one of the top rules that you should always live by is never commit a crime while committing a crime because it just, compounds your odds of getting caught. But it's really hard to. I think not commit crimes, mostly because there's a lot of crimes that you just don't know about.

Oh, yeah. It's a lot of laws out there. Obviously in some states, it's even illegal to go out dressed a certain way or something like, because there are these really antiquated laws that are still technically on the books. So what I'm saying is that, again, if this is how we want to play the game, anyone is, anyone's fair game.

But it's, it is disturbing.

Malcolm Collins: Wanted to note something else here was that the place where the guy was shooting from was 120 to [00:36:00] 150 meters away And if you look at the venue, it was very obvious like it was close

It is just wild that this happened. So do you have any? What do you think happens next?

Simone Collins: Yeah in terms of like how you know, you're saying that this could have been a conspiracy on the left I do not think that's what happened I do think that there are a couple of things that contributed to this. It is interesting that, in the past, his requests to increase his secret security detail have been denied.

So people are going to have little infarctions about that for a while. No doubt. It's also interesting that, and there's footage of this that anyone can see, the counter snipers with the secret service that were on an adjacent nearby roof. We're seen before earlier, just hanging out on the roof and then right before shots were fired they were already engaged as in to say they were looking through their sites and aiming their guns and then right [00:37:00] after the shots fired, they made slight adjustments and shot.

Malcolm Collins: So I think what sounds like they delayed shooting until after this guy had shot.

Simone Collins: That's what people are saying. Now. I don't actually think that there was a concerted attempt to delay. Shooting, I think that there was a desire, there was that same people assume that there's a conspiracy when it's really just a mixture of incompetence and poor coordination, which is far more likely that, people are, people, you're starting to get this report of, people are saying there's someone with a gun, people are reporting something.

And then, you see someone, but they, you don't want to be the person responsible for accidentally shooting an innocent person who was on a roof trying to get a better view.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So here's the thing. The audience knew it wasn't an innocent person. The audience that was seeing it happen was like, Oh my God, there's a guy army crawling with an.

An AR 15 into position. With a rifle. They knew it was clearly a rifle. They didn't know it was an AR 15, but yeah. Clearly a rifle. And he was apparently army crawling for a while, but here's what I'm going to [00:38:00] do again, is I'm going to put the picture of the venue on screen. People can The area, yeah.

You are a counter sniper in a higher level position where you can see this thing. Is there any way you couldn't have seen this guy with plenty of warning? Is there I mean, it's a big crowd. It's Is it at all plausible that you couldn't have seen this happening? I don't want to be like too conspiratorial, but I also just don't know were they just not doing their jobs at all?

Simone Collins: I, you know, I air in favor of that, that I always tend to read, if anything, benign incompetence to people rather than some kind of concerted attempt to do something shady. Though people do sometimes do shady things. But yeah I do not think that is, is what happened, but it is interesting that happened.

And I think it just goes to show That you cannot throw money at a problem or hire the best professionals and assume that it's going to be okay. You are never actually safe. Your driver's never actually paying [00:39:00] attention. Your accountant is never actually checking all of your transactions. And just to assume that they've got it, that anyone has got it aside from you or someone that you're working very closely with.

It's your fault when something goes wrong and I'm just going to put that out there. So I just wanted to point out that little detail because I watched the video and I was like that's weird. But there you go.

Malcolm Collins: This election, and I was actually thinking of doing a different episode on this, but it is just worth noting here that this election after the debate has really transformed its nature.

Because in the last couple elections, Trump was like, I'm running against the deep state, right? I want to fight the deep state.

Simone Collins: He's such a loud mouth breeder. He's no subtlety.

Malcolm Collins: No subtlety. And now,

Octavian Collins: Trump I'm in the camera, my dada.

Malcolm Collins: My Dada, Oh, my Dada but with Biden now, officially not being the person who's running the country, like we all know [00:40:00] this now.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And they're like,

and the Democrats are going, yeah, but everything's running fine. It doesn't really matter if Biden is incompetent. You're just electing the people around him and it's Oh you're electing the deep state, right? This now is literally because we know that pipe.

Biden is like a weekend at Bernie's and they're like marionetting a corset.

Simone Collins: But people also know, they know that has been, while we may only have realized this. Okay. Hold on one

Octavian Collins: second.

Simone Collins: . We may have only just learned that Biden is definitely for sure not running the country. And then instead the nation is being run by a group of unelected, mostly faceless bureaucrats.

And the deep state leaders, the deep state. But I think a lot of people are, have decided that they're okay with that. They say are things that bad now? Are things falling apart now? No, it's okay. Here's the thing, Malcolm. I asked one of our friends in Pennsylvania who is not, is a pure Pennsylvania friend.

I'm cool guy, doesn't own a computer but it's still cool and nerdy, like runs D and D games and stuff, has a local business. [00:41:00] Cool guy. Smart. I asked him, Hey, what do you think of this? And who are you going to vote for? And he's I just really hate Trump.

And honestly are things that bad right now? And I asked him how do you feel about, being in a nation of, unelected faceless people running your country? And he's honestly things aren't bad, that bad right now. I even asked him to list or no, he listed, unprompted, his most important priorities for a president.

Actually let me pull up what he sent to me because he still doesn't want to vote for Trump and he still plans probably on like protest voting for Kennedy. Despite the fact that the following are the most important things to him. Admittedly, one is more democratic. One, the environment. Two, property taxes removed.

Better yet, complete reform. More on that later. Three, children. Four, prosecuting pedophiles. These are the four things I want. No, 75 percent of those four points. Trump, he's not going to vote for Trump, period. This [00:42:00] assassination hasn't changed his opinion at all. And there are lots of people like this who are centrists, who are smart.

They may not be hyper online, but it's important for us to be aware of the opinions of people who are not hyper online, because I think it's very easy for people on the internet to be like, Oh yeah, man, Trump wins now. And that's just not where. The majority of Americans are. I don't know what to tell you, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: I hear you, but the point I was making is what he admitted as well. It's no longer the deep state is a conspiracy. We are now at the deep state is real and is running for president.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but people are okay with that. That's what scares me. But I think you also have to get back to that reality.

People are okay.

Malcolm Collins: And so now the question is the deep state actually responsible for these felony charges? Are they responsible for the assassination attempt? And what scares me is I'm leaning towards no, I'm leaning towards all just malfeasance and stupidity and inaction, but I think it's plausibly yes.

Simone Collins: No. I think the felony charges are somewhat part of this, [00:43:00] but they're somewhat part of this in the same way that the biased media coverage of this assassination attempt is somewhat part of it in the sense that there are people. Who work in these legal positions or these media positions who vehemently believe that there is no way that our democracy could survive Trump being elected again, that he would break the country, that he would break everything, ruin everything, and he cannot under any circumstances win.

And I think that those people of course will pursue legal action and will pursue media action that may be. that may be not considered good form in order to make that happen. But I don't think it's okay, guys, we're going to get together. We're going to coordinate on this. One, they would know that would make them look extra culpable and here there's plausible deniability.

So they're not that dumb, but I also just don't think that they view it that way or do it that way either.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I have loved talking to you. We have seen our kids who have been raised on what I find so funny is Paw Patrol, [00:44:00] one of their favorite shows actually made by the Urban Monoculture. What does Paw Patrol teach you?

Who are the villains? An incompetent bureaucrat, the mayor is the villain in Paw Patrol. Yes. No.

Simone Collins: Octavian in Paw Patrol. Who's the bad guy? Who's the bad guy in Paw Patrol?

Octavian Collins: Mayor Humdinger.

Simone Collins: Humdinger?

Malcolm Collins: Mayor Humdinger, right?

Octavian Collins: Yeah, Mayor Humdinger has a top hat on it. And he said, You can't arrest me, I'm the mayor!

Yeah, he does say that, doesn't he?

, is he is he incompetent? Is he dumb?

Octavian Collins: No, he just go fair and square.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, he says fair and square a lot? Oh,

Simone Collins: because, but is it actually fair and square?

Or is he lying, Octavian? He

Octavian Collins: does it fair and square at the same time. And it gets the cloud catcher to blow and then makes a storm. Wait, I have

Malcolm Collins: a question, Octavian. Are all mares fair and square? Bad [00:45:00] guys.

Octavian Collins: No. All mirrors are not bad guy. Only what mirror is a bad guy. Good job,

Simone Collins: buddy. Okay. Now see, I think what Octavian identified here is what the urban monoculture is actually trying to tell us is that capitalist is a bad guy because he wears a top hat.

Octavian says, I don't actually know what Mayor Hung Dinger looks like, but Octavian says he wears a top hat that is code for capitalist, right? Octavian.

Malcolm Collins: But Octavian, what do you think of communists?

Octavian Collins: I think about it, it's great.

Malcolm Collins: What? You say

Simone Collins: communism is great?

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Real communism hasn't been tried, right Octavian?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Octavian, you need to learn the phrase, if you're going to say that, you need to say real communism has never been tried. Can you say that?

Octavian Collins: Real communism has never been tried.

Malcolm Collins: What did you think of the trains?

Octavian Collins: I liked

Malcolm Collins: it.

Octavian Collins: Yeah but daddy said I gotta look at them, not get them.

It's like a museum. [00:46:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I said, look, so we did this horrifying thing today where we took our kids to an antique train show. And it was not really set up for kids. Okay. Okay. You're the microphone. Oh, thank you. And so the, when you've got three kids and you're trying to keep them from grabbing the trains from an antique toy show, cause they also had other antique toys as well.

Many of which were for sale at insane prices. Oh God. Horrible mistake on my part. What do you think, Octavian? Was that a mistake on Dada's part?

Octavian Collins: No, it's not. No, it was not. What do you think

Malcolm Collins: Dadas are supposed to do for their kids?

Octavian Collins: He helps the kids.

Simone Collins: And how does a good mommy, what does a good mommy do?

Octavian Collins: And and a good kisses too when you be nice.

Malcolm Collins: Do?

You can give kisses when you're nice. Oh, what does a good brother do?

Octavian Collins: A good brother do nice things.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I think people can see that we are obviously abusing our children.

This is a kid who is terrified of me. And right Octavian you think is daddy [00:47:00] scary?

Octavian Collins: No, he's not.

Simone Collins: That is exactly what an abusive parent would force their child to say. You could tell he's

Malcolm Collins: crying under all this. This was all staged. Sick Malcolm,

Simone Collins: you make me

Malcolm Collins: sick. So I've got a question for you, somebody tried to shoot the president yesterday. Did you know that?

Octavian Collins: I know. It's Mayor Humdinger.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, and so what do you think should happen to the person who tried to shoot the president?

Octavian Collins: He went to Mason but Prentice Guy just told him they're hunting her, but his mayor says, No dogs! I ordered the new mayor.

Simone Collins: I think our LLM is hallucinating. That's

Octavian Collins: more of a cat person. That's

Simone Collins: all!

Octavian Collins: If those are the rules, those are the rules. Okay. You guys have a perfect old time. And that's what he said, okay? And that's what they said to him.

Malcolm Collins: This is a scene from the movie, by the [00:48:00] way, the Paw Patrol movie. It's a new thing that's going over.

But yes, the LLM is hallucinating. And that's what we mean when we talk about, like, when you have young kids, you're like, maybe LLMs aren't as different from humans as I, I can do input commands and try to get him to respond, but sometimes it'll be like on an adjacent topic. You're very good at holding the microphone, by the way.

You like watching cardboard guns get made?

Okay, Octavian, do you want to say to the fans of the show that you're really excited that they're joining, and as you get older, you'll come on more?

Octavian Collins: Yeah I need to tell them something. What do you want to tell

Simone Collins: them?

Octavian Collins: I just want to tell them that I'm going to show them my magic trick that you remember yesterday.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, show the magic trick.

Octavian Collins: That I did not have anything that I forgot. I just forgot them.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, so he knows magic. He wants you to know that, but he forgot the equipment. Good job, buddy. I love you. I don't know what he's talking about. You're welcome. I don't remember the magic

Octavian Collins: trick. I need [00:49:00] someone to teach me how magic works. Oh, okay. You need somebody

Malcolm Collins: to teach you how magic works?

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Octavian Collins: That's a good idea, buddy.

Malcolm Collins: And if people want, we can try to do more with our kids.

Octavian Collins: Do you like attacking daddy

Malcolm Collins: with Toasty and Titan? And

Octavian Collins: though I wanna un attack daddy with, I wanna attack daddy with nobody.

Malcolm Collins: Oh. You like attacking daddy on your own. So it's a fair fight.

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Fair and square.

Octavian Collins: Yeah. I like attacking fear and square.

Simone Collins: All right, buddy. I love you. Bye.

Octavian Collins: Bye.

Simone Collins:

While you make that quick note, can I There's going to be poop everywhere if I don't take action now. Okay. Thank you. Sorry.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, you look at me like I'm so innocent. I'm so innocent. You're not so

Simone Collins: innocent. Oops, you did it [00:50:00] again. You pooped so much. There's poop everywhere. Oh baby, baby, oops, you think you're okay. But there's poop anywhere. You're not that innocent.

Octavian Collins: Oh my god! Ah!

Malcolm Collins: Okay, we're back. I love your singing, by the way. Do you do that every time you change her?

Simone Collins: I'm constantly talking to her. The greatest thing about having kids is, I always talk to myself anyway, but now I don't sound like I'm crazy because I'm talking to a baby instead.

Malcolm Collins: You are amazing.

Simone Collins: Perfect.

Malcolm Collins: And this is how you show off tradwifing. This is real tradwifing. It is diaper changes and singing crazy songs.

Simone Collins: Diaper changes during podcasting. Actually that is so real tradwifing because the only real tradwife is a social media poster.

Malcolm Collins: All right back on topic.

Simone Collins: If you wouldn't mind just bringing milk to Toasty, he just woke up and he's crying.

Octavian Collins: Thank you, Malcolm. [00:51:00] You're the best! That

Simone Collins: is why I married you. No. Actually, I married you because you're crazy hot! And I was in love with you! But also because you're perfect. I

had a person I wish existed and I didn't know existed. Yeah. I just wish I could be him. I did. Yeah. True story. I just was like, how could this person actually exist? It was pretty awesome. I was very happy.

Malcolm Collins: So many distractions.

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