Keir Starmer’s cut to the winter fuel allowance has passed through Parliament – but at what cost? Plus, the Harris-Trump presidential debate was dominated by Trump lying through his teeth, but do we expect any difference from him? And does this make any difference to the race for the White House? Associate professor in politics and international relations at UCL, Dr Julie Norman, joins the panel to discuss. And in the Extra Bit for subscribers, Labour is coming across as the no-fun, eat-your-greens party. Is it forgetting that joy matters too?

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Presented by Dorian Lynskey with Zoë Grünewald and Rachel Cunliffe. Producer: Chris Jones. Audio production by: Robin Leeburn. Video production by: Kieron Leslie and Chris Jones. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production

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