Gene and I discuss his two debates at the most recent Porcfest: one on whether consequentialist arguments (e.g., capitalism makes us rich) or arguments based on first principles (e.g., the nonaggression principle) work better to persuade people to adopt our point of view. We also say a bit about Gene's debate with David Friedman over the Austrian and Chicago schools of economics. Sponsors: Virtual Storefronts & Persist SEO Guest's Website: The Soho Forum https://www.thesohoforum.org  Guest's Twitter: @genesohoforum Show notes for Ep. 2510