In this episode of Stories for the Future, I’m joined by storyteller, game designer, and creative force Dain Saint — someone who doesn’t just talk about change, but invites people to practice it through immersive storytelling, collaborative world-building, and art.We recorded this conversation a few months ago, but it feels even more relevant today. Especially in a time of political tension, uncertainty, and fear, we talk about how imagination, empathy, and interactive experiences can help us stay connected — and prepare us for the future we actually want to live in.Dain also shares insights from his work in journalism, immersive theatre, and game design — including how changing what it means to “win” the game can fundamentally shift how we live and lead.We talk about:What interactive storytelling really is — and why it mattersThe role of empathy in imagining better futuresPracticing democracy through games (!)What it feels like to live through turbulent times in the USThe difference between truth and honestyWhy art, play, and participation are vital right now🔗 Links & Resources:Learn more about Dain’s work on his website.Reckless MagicConnect with me and find more episodes at storiesforthefuture.comSubscribe to my newsletter on Substack💬 If this episode spoke to you…Please consider sharing it with someone you think would enjoy it — and leave a quick rating or review on your podcast platform. It really helps the show reach more thoughtful listeners like you.Want to be a guest on Stories for the future: Beyond the Bubble? Send Veslemoy Klavenes-Berge a message on PodMatch.You can always find more information about the podcast and my work on storiesforthefuture.com Get full access to Stories for the Future by Veslemøy Klavenes-Berge at vklavenes.substack.com/subscribe