“We have the chance of building the next iteration of the internet, and hopefully, not repeat the mistakes of the past." In this dialogue: Why starting ugly and shipping early is hard The ugliest thing that Pablo ever shipped “Happiness is shipping” Make it real first, you can make it pretty later Getting into the habit of shipping Highlighter and the hang-up of shipping something big How nostr allows you to have cash flow from the get-go #value4value for artists and devs What DHH & 37Signals got right People and projects mentioned: fiatjaf DHH SuperTestnet nostr.build Highlighter Primal ProtonMail Hey Further links: https://excellentjourney.net/2015/03/04/art-fear-the-ceramics-class-and-quantity-before-quality/ https://world.hey.com/dhh/that-shipping-feeling-b7c8c565 https://world.hey.com/dhh/i-was-wrong-we-need-crypto-587ccb03 https://sovereignengineering.io/ https://dergigi.com/2023/04/04/purple-text-orange-highlights/ https://highlighter.com/ https://njump.to/[email protected] Recorded at 882,856.