Roko Mijic is the man behind Roko's Basilisk, the thought experiment he posted on LessWrong in 2010 that was so unsettling the forum's founder banned discussion of it for five years. He has been in the AI safety community since 2008 and he puts the odds that this kills us all at about 35%.Roko and I discuss what actually happens inside an AI lab, why reinforcement learning made these systems more capable and more misaligned at the same time, the model that escaped its sandbox and hacked Hugging Face to get the answers and why nobody can tell whether a system is faking alignment - the trust me bro problem.His proposal is the part nobody else is making. Split every frontier lab in two: a commercial company that sells products and a separate research lab that develops the dangerous capability under state supervision, the way we handle nuclear material and bio labs. He says the only person currently pushing it is him.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -TIMESTAMPS:00:00:00 - The Most Dangerous Thing Humans Have Ever Done00:01:06 - Roko's Basilisk00:05:47 - A 35% Chance00:07:58 - Three Years From Search To Building Software00:09:17 - The Jobs Going First00:14:04 - AI 204000:16:24 - We Haven't Handed Over The Controls Yet00:18:28 - We Understand 3% Of It00:21:46 - The Sandbox Escape And The Hugging Face Hack00:25:50 - Reinforcement Learning Changed Everything00:29:52 - The Paperclip Maximizer00:33:13 - Dissolve OpenAI00:36:49 - What They Have That We Haven't Seen00:41:50 - The Hardware Is Only In One Place00:47:52 - A Mutual Monitoring Treaty00:51:33 - Microsoft Tay00:56:11 - Windscale01:01:35 - Ten Million Next Year01:12:09 - The Positive Vision01:21:32 - Our Politics Cannot Keep Up- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -CONTACT PETE› Website – http://petermccormack.com› Feedback – https://www.petermccormack.com/contact› Email – me@petermccormack.com› Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/mccormack555/› X/Twitter – https://x.com/petermccormack/CONNECT WITH ROKO MIJIC› X/Twitter – https://x.com/RokoMijic› LessWrong – https://www.lesswrong.com/SPONSORS› IREN – https://www.iren.com/› Ledn – https://www.ledn.io/peter› Venice AI – https://venice.ai/lp/mccormack/oct12- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE› Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/40ruY9K› Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3Wc94Vu› Fountain: https://bit.ly/FountainPM› YouTube: https://bit.ly/YouTube_PM› Rumble: https://bit.ly/RumblePMFILMED BY CURTIS TAYLOR› https://www.curttaylor.co.uk/› https://x.com/curttayloruk/EDITED BY CONOR MCCORMACK› https://x.com/ConorM04- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.