Donald Hoffman and Joscha Bach debate whether consciousness is computational and reality fundamental They debate the limits of a Theory of Everything and examine how physical and algorithmic worlds intersect.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:03:34 - Theory of Everything possible? / Definition of Consciousness- 00:08:32 - Spacetime's fundamental nature (or not)- 00:14:27 - Joscha Bach on mysterianism, telepathy, and consciousness- 00:34:40 - Joscha has a way of interpreting the Bible literally- 00:42:01 - Physical world vs Computational world- 00:57:57 - Gödel and changing the definition of truth to provable / computable- 01:12:33 - Mind parts that make statements beyond computation- 01:13:57 - Real numbers don't exist?- 01:15:23 - [Prof. Edward Lee] Reality is not necessarily algorithmic- 01:34:02 - Donald Hoffman on Free Will- 01:44:03 - Joscha Bach on Free Will and whether a TOE exists- 01:57:10 - Changes in Bach's model if classical logic was correct- 02:07:42 - Penrose and Lucas argument regarding Gödel and the mind- 02:13:55 - Closing thoughts from Bach and Hoffman on each other's workSPONSORS:- Brilliant: 20% off - https://brilliant.org/TOE- Algo YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9IfRw1QaTglRoX0sN11AQQ- Algo website - https://www.algo.com/- Patreon - https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto donation - https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal donation - https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter - https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord - https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora - https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Reddit - https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- Merch - https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- YouTube - https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww- QBism Paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/1003.5209- Donald Hoffman's book The Case Against Reality (affiliate) - https://amzn.to/34eWmxz- Plato and the Nerd (affiliate) - https://amzn.to/34GMexr- Better Left Unsaid documentary - http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices