Lu Saenz, CTO at Flock Freight and Pat Cullen, VP Engineering at Carrot talk about the progression of QA inside our engineering organizations and how to fight off the temptation to create a separate QA department.Lu Saenz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lu-saenz-startups-cleantech/Pat Cullen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pat-cullen-b3295b29/Join our Slack community at https://7ctos.com/podcast

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