Cam and Ali are joined by one of the most prestigious figures in Australian law, the Hon. Michael Kirby. Michael Kirby was Australia's longest serving High Court judge when he retired, and was the first openly gay man to be appointed the High Court of Australia. He and his husband Johan over their 52 years together have weathered having to keep their love hidden, the tragedy of the HIV/AIDS crisis, and the fight for marriage equality in Australia. LINKS Visit Michael Kirby's website at https://www.michaelkirby.com.au/  Follow Cam @Camerondaddo  Follow Ali @Alidaddo Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them at separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au  CREDITS Hosts: Cameron Daddo and Alison Brahe-DaddoGuest: The Hon. Michael KirbyManaging Producer: Elle BeattieProducer and Editor: Amy Kimball Find more great podcasts like this at novapodcasts.com.au Separate Bathrooms would like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora nation, the First Peoples of the land on which we work. We acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded, and recognise their enduring connections to country, knowledge and stories. We pay our respects to Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all First Nations people listening.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.