In this candid, free‑wheeling conversation, Jon and Max explore what happens when people who simply want to be left alone are pushed too far—and how that pressure cooker connects to young men, internet culture, and real‑world resilience. They reflect on the importance of physical labour, sport, mentorship, and male rites of passage as antidotes to fragility and online cattiness. From dogs and pecking orders to construction sites, ranges, and rugby pitches, they draw lines between embodied challenges and the concept of bullying. Jon and Max close with a heartfelt tour through listener boosts, a poetic field report from a visit to Ben Gunn’s citadel, and a call to live not by lies (Charles Myriel), stand tall, and keep building—locally, practically, and with courage.ARTICLESLIve Not By Lies by Charles Myriel: https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/live-not-by-lies/Would Became Is - Through Wood and Code by Soulexporter: https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/would-became-is-through-wood-and-code/[[LINKS]]VALUE FOR VALUEThanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.TIME:- create fountain clips for the show- create a meetup- help boost the signal on social mediaTALENT:- create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music- design or implement some software that can make the podcast better- use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show!TREASURE:- BOOST IT OR STREAM SATS on the Podcasting 2.0 apps @ https://podcastapps.com- DONATE via Paynym to JON @ https://paynym.rs/+idealpresident82- DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ugmf- BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://www.ungovernablemisfits.com/shop/ALTAIR TECHNOLOGIESAltair Tech is your one-stop shop for pleb mining supplies. They carry Bitaxes, Urlacher Conversion Kits, Bitmain Antminers, Shrouds, etc. Anything you can think of when it comes to Bitcoin Mining :).Use the affiliate link above and don't forget to use code UNGOVERNABLE at checkout.(00:00:00) Cold Open(00:03:09) Simplicity is Key(00:12:17) To Bully Or Not To Bully(00:20:21) Watch Out For The Little Turtle(00:25:30) BOOSTS(00:42:39) Would Became Is - Through Wood and Code BY @soulexporter(00:49:36) Reflecting on the Soulex Article(00:54:10) ALTAIR TECH(00:56:06) Live Not by Lies BY Charles Myriel(01:16:09) BBQ SANDWICHES @ LAKE SATOSHI(01:20:26) Goodbye Everyone!