In this special-edition episode normally available only on White Flag + on Apple Podcasts, Joe sits down with Trump supporter Derek Hunter, who is also a Townhall columnist. Joe, while fighting a seasonal cold (no, not Covid!), musters strength as he tries to pinpoint how someone like Derek can suspend all the stuff he knows to be bad about Trump and Trumpism in order to "stay on the team." They cover everything from the NeverTrump movements to the 2020 election to the January 6th hearings. The conversation is illuminating.