"What I'm obsessed with.. and something that I commonly see things through the frame of.. is how the computational and non-computational interface". In this episode I talk with Jake Hamilton.  Jake is an Urbit dev who I met at a party in San Salvador during which we had one of those chaotic but highly invigorating late night discussions.  A few days later, when I bumped into him again at Adopting BTC I had to ask him if he would let me record us having a conversation. The result is over three and a half hours of random banter covering topics such as quantum physics, artificial intelligence, psychedelics, religion, ethics, Bitcoin and of course, Urbit.. plus many, many more.    It's a long one, so make sure you're sitting comfortably... Jake on Twitter: https://twitter.com/36_72541890 Urbit: https://urbit.org/ This episode was recorded in San Salvador, El Salvador.