For years Max would call and ask, “Hey mate, what do you reckon about ___?” This is that conversation, turned into a show. First episode: mind control and influence operations, with a hard look at MKUltra. We walk through history from the priest classes and their drug and sex rituals, war as the original mass psychological operation, Operation Paperclip and the Cold War labs, Sidney Gottlieb, Operation Midnight Climax in New York and San Francisco, Ewan Cameron, Jolly West in the Haight, the moment LSD left the building, Manson and the communes, then the quieter tools that followed: pharmaceuticals, screens, surveillance, COVID-era mass formation. We flag what is documented and what is speculation. We close on how you push back: escape dialectics, Occam’s Razor, question with boldness like Jefferson, and John Lisle’s eleven questions. MK Ultra, answered with MK Ungovernable. What they cover Ancient roots: Plato’s Cave, priests, cults, ritual drugs, warModern U.S. programs: Bluebird, Artichoke, MKUltra, Gottlieb, Church CommitteeSan Francisco: Midnight Climax, Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, West’s crash pad, MansonFrom the 1980s to now: corporate influence, pharma, social media, mass formationHow to stay ungovernableBooks they read for this oneStephen Kinzer - Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind ControlJohn Lisle - Project Mind Control: Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA, and the Tragedy of MKULTRATom O’Neill with Dan Piepenbring - Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the SixtiesMusicThe Exploited – Sex and ViolenceSlim Galliard Trio – Cement Mixer Pu-ti-put-tiJack Kerouac – October in the Railroad Earth (with Steve Allen)Kraftwerk – Computer WorldMarilyn Manson – Rock is DeadThe Beach Boys – Never Learn Not to LoveGot a stone you want turned over? History, intrigue, health, collapse, spirituality, the weird and the unexplained — send topic ideas. X: [@UngovernableMax] and [@prevhashnonce]. Nostr: ungovernablemisfits@nostrplebs.com and meshtadel@nostrplebs.com.Want to sponsor What Do You Reckon? We are looking for sponsors that belong next to these conversations and fit the Ungovernable ethos. Reach out the same places, or start at [ungovernable.network](https://ungovernable.network).A special thank you to Cake Wallet, Foundation Devices, and MyNymBox for already carrying the rest of the Ungovernable network. Question everything with boldness. Stay ungovernable. ungovernable.networkHELP GET SAMOURAI A PARDONSIGN THE PETITION ----> https://www.change.org/p/stand-up-for-freedom-pardon-the-innocent-coders-jailed-for-building-privacy-tools DONATE TO THE FAMILIES w/ USD ----> https://www.givesendgo.com/billandkeonneDONATE TO THE FAMILIES w/ BTC ----> https://pay.zaprite.com/pl_JpxtkLv95T SUPPORT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ---> https://billandkeonne.org/VALUE FOR VALUEThanks for listening you Ungovernable Misfits, we appreciate your continued support and hope you enjoy the shows.You can support this episode using your time, talent or treasure.TIME:- create fountain clips for the show- create a meetup- help boost the signal on social mediaTALENT:- create ungovernable misfit inspired art, animation or music- design or implement some software that can make the podcast better- use whatever talents you have to make a contribution to the show!TREASURE:- BOOST IT OR STREAM SATS on the Podcasting 2.0 apps @ https://podcastapps.com- DONATE via Paynym to JON @ https://paynym.rs/+idealpresident82- DONATE via Monero @ https://xmrchat.com/ungovernable - BUY SOME STICKERS @ https://ungovernable.network/shop/(00:00:00) What Do You Reckon?(00:07:55) Mind Control Through the Ages(00:12:29) The Priest Class & the First Cults(00:23:40) Operation Paperclip & the Birth of MK Ultra(00:51:22) LSD, Gottlieb & the Origins of the Program(01:05:28) Operation Midnight Climax(01:22:55) Jolly West & the Shaver Case(01:35:05) Haight-Ashbury, Manson & Chaos(02:03:00) From the '80s to Now(02:22:00) How to Stay Ungovernable