We start with our remembrances of Notre Dame, after yesterday's terrible fire. Then more from The Edna and Jim "I've Already Been To College" Update on the Admissions Scandal: It's not looking good for Aunt Becky

Books: At the wonderful LA Times Festival of Books, which attracts more than 100,000 visitors, Liz went to panels featuring:

Frederick Douglass Prophet of Freedom by David W Blight. It just won the Pulitzer for History

The New Negro: The Life of Alain Locke by Jeffrey C Stewart. Just won the Pulitzer for Biography.

Bad Blood by John Carreyroux, about Theranos, which we have discussed on previous podcasts.

Say Nothing by Patrick Radden Keefe about The Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Bitter Business Bureau. Wait a sec. The Uber people are going to make $100 million dollars in a IPO for a company that LOST a billion dollars in 2018?? We could think of plenty of business ideas that could LOSE money.

We admire Abby Wambach and recommend her new book Wolfpack plus two really great interviews with her: TBD with Tina Brown podcast and Norah O'Donnell on CBS This Morning podcast on Stitcher..

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Lian announces two great upcoming guests: Poet Kim Dower, author of Sunbathing on Tyrone Power's Grave, and Jennifer Weiner, who's new book coming in June is Mrs. Everything.