Françoise Bourzat is counsellor trained in Somatic Psychology And body-centred psychotherapy. And she works as a guide for people working with expanded states of consciousness for healing.  She now trains others to be therapists and facilitators and teaches at the California Institute of Integral Studies. She trained for twenty years in the indigenous Mazatec tradition of healing with psilocybin mushrooms and is the author of the book Consciousness Medicine: Indigenous Wisdom, Entheogens, and Expanded States of Consciousness for Healing and Growth which is what we talk about today.