(Happy Ep 601st!) With indoor dining opening up, we decided to talk with tortoise shack regular and member of ISAG, our friend, DCU's Prof Anthony Staines. We chat Delta, vaccines, jabs for kids, indoor dining, "manageable" deaths and then we ask can a world that couldn't unify in the face of a global pandemic do so in the face of the climate emergency? To support this podcast and get access to lots of exclusive content please join us at patreon.com/tortoiseshack