It is always great to chat with writer with theintercept.com Jon Schwarz. We talk all things American politics, fears about inflation in the economy and why it's not the worry it's made out to be and the current Covid situation.

Then we get into what Martin and Jon really want to talk about, the film Don't Look Up. If you haven't seen it this contains spoilers and a Meryl Streep story. Enjoy.

Join us at patreon.com/tortoiseshack