James H Douglas served Vermont for more than 35 years as a legislator, Secretary of State, State Treasurer and Governor. He advanced groundbreaking health reforms that have made Vermont a national model. Douglas chaired the National Governors Association and President Obama appointed him co-chair of the Council of Governors. He now teaches at Middlebury College, his alma mater. I called him to talk about the extraordinary contagion of Wokery in his state, and on the college scene in particular. Some of what he had to say was surprising, you'll see. The KunstlerCast theme music is the beautiful Two Rivers Waltz written and performed by Larry Unger.