Unlocked for the public again because we've got another interview. Today I'm joined by defense technology reporter Kelsey Atherton, who you should be following on Twitter. We're talking about building a left-wing foreign policy vision, the new Fellow Travelers Blog that aims to get that conversation going, Space Force, and drone madness. Enjoy!

Kelsey's piece on the Maduro incident is here.

Fellow Travelers Blog on Twitter.

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