In this episode of Circle This, Dre sits down with writer, speaker, and “shame loss” advocate Jen Pastiloff to explore embodiment, bravery, and becoming the most unapologetic version of yourself.

Living with hearing loss since childhood, Jen learned to listen with her whole body—a practice that’s become her superpower in helping others feel truly seen. Together, she and Dre unpack the art of the apology, the radical act of claiming joy without reason, and the healing that happens when we stop minimizing our worth.

From giving yourself a medal for the smallest wins to speaking your desires out loud—especially when they scare you—this episode is a call to stop performing, stop apologizing, and start living like you mean it.

Jen shares the vulnerable story behind her new book, how rejection still echoes old wounds, and why she believes transparency is a sacred act of sisterhood. With humor, heart, and holy honesty, she reminds us: self-acceptance is a practice. And showing up—messy, honest, and whole—is more than enough.

Follow Jen: @jenpastiloff Pre-order her new book: Proof of Life: Let Go, Let Love, and Stop Looking for Permission to Live Your Life

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