Maori native Jen Cloher joins us today- talking self managing, Milk! Records, transparency, Bjork and PJ Harvey, the collective music organisation, The Wurundjeri people, stolen land, lost language, Māori the indigenous people of New Zealand, the desire to learn, going to NIDA acting school, putting out firest album at 32, performing in london with Ngāti Rānana + more!

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Songs: Jen Cloher 'Being Human', Cock Sparrer ‘Working’

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