Erik is joined on this episode by James Gallagher (@jamesg_oca), publicly-traded person and researcher and writer in the income-share agreement space.They discuss:- What life is like as a publicly-traded person, including some funny stories from James's experiment.- How one's incentives are transformed by having “shareholders” and how this arrangement creates value for everyone involved.- The promise of ISAs to “leverage human potential at scale” and why they are a better replacement for debt financing.- How ISAs could spread from post-secondary education to hospitals, law offices, primary schools, and beyond.- James’s replies to some of the concerns expressed about income-share agreements.- His requests for startups in the space.Thanks for listening — if you like what you hear, please review us on your favorite podcast platform. Check us out on the web at villageglobal.vc or get in touch with us on Twitter @villageglobal.Venture Stories is brought to you by Village Global, is hosted by co-founder and partner, Erik Torenberg and is produced by Brett Bolkowy.