Chris was invited onto the Belkins Growth Podcast, hosted by Michael Maximoff, to discuss the importance of building trust in business and how to do so effectively. Chris shares his personal and professional journey, his rejection of societal norms, and his focus on innovation and alternative solutions. He explains how Refine Labs attracts smart underdog individuals who are looking to challenge the status quo and make a significant impact in the B2B marketing space.

Chris emphasizes the need for a data-backed scientific approach to go-to-market strategies and the importance of a network of companies working together to push the industry forward. He also discusses the culture and values of his organization, including the emphasis on collaboration, knowledge sharing, and continuous learning.