As we break to observe Washington's birthday, our team thought you might like to try a sample of a CyberWire Pro podcast called Interview Selects. These podcasts are a series of extended interviews, exclusives, and a curated selection of our most engaging and informative interviews over the years, featuring cyber security professionals, journalists, authors and industry insiders. In this extended interview, Dave Bittner speaks with Kenneth Geers from NATO's CCD COE on "Cyber War in Perspective: Russian Aggression Against Ukraine." Like what you hear? Consider subscribing to CyberWire Pro for $99/year. Learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices