Welcome back to Truth, Lies & Work, the award-winning podcast where behavioural science meets workplace culture. Hosted by Chartered Occupational Psychologist Leanne Elliott and business owner Al Elliott, we’re here to simplify the science of work.

This week is a special crossover: our conversation with Jon White and Nick Korte, co-hosts of the brilliant Nerd Journey podcast.

In this two-part series, we dig into what makes teams thrive (and fail), the skills most managers never get taught, and how to navigate careers in uncertain times.

👉 Listen to Part 1 on Nerd Journey here:
https://nerd-journey.com/task-cohesion-managing-a-larger-team-in-a-flatter-organization-amidst-a-climate-of-uncertainty-with-al-and-leanne-elliott-1-2/

👉 Listen to Part 2 on Nerd Journey here:
https://nerd-journey.com/champion-your-people-role-clarity-for-the-ic-in-the-chaotic-world-of-work-with-al-and-leanne-elliott-2-2/

🔥 What We Cover

• The hidden skills every great manager needs — and why most never get trained in them.
• How to navigate career pivots without losing confidence (even if it feels like you’re starting over).
• The difference between being a “boss” and being a leader who actually develops people.
• Why Jon and Nick believe the best career stories come from mistakes and detours, not perfect planning.
• The surprising lessons they’ve learned from 300+ interviews with tech professionals.

🎧 Want more from Jon & Nick?

• Nerd Journey Podcast: https://www.nerd-journey.com
• Connect with Jon White on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwhite173/
• Connect with Nick Korte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickkorte/

🧠 Support with Mental Health and Well-being

• Mind UK: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/
• Samaritans (UK): Call 116 123 or email jo@samaritans.org

📬 Connect with Al & Leanne

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/truthlieswork
• Al Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisisalelliott
• Leanne Elliott: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetleanne
• Email: hello@truthliesandwork.com
• Book a call: https://savvycal.com/meetleanne/chat